Focus on Fossgate, and a proposed sign across it

Fossgate, earlier today

Steve Galloway’s blog recently drew my attention to a planning application due to be decided this Thursday (6 April). It proposes the installation of a large metal sign across the street at the top of Fossgate. It would be black and silver, and announce the entrance to the ‘Merchant’s Quarter’. It would replace the current plastic banner (shown above) that was presumably meant to be temporary but has been up there for quite a while. It doesn’t particularly enhance the street and so clearly the idea is to put up something permanent with a similar message, to promote Fossgate.

The planning application for the sign (17/00159/ADV and associated 17/00071/LBC) has been recommended for refusal in the committee report produced for the meeting. The reasons given for this are, in my view, convincing, and interesting. So I thought I’d share some extracts from the available documents, and also have a wander down Fossgate way today to take some photos.

Considering this application leads us to consider the special nature of York’s streets in this area, the routes we walk on our journeys through the city, the views we have when we do.

The application has been submitted by York Civic Trust, in association with local businesses. I’ve wondered before, noticing the proliferation of plaques going up around the city, whether the Civic Trust just has to suggest a sign/plaque and up it goes. There may have been planning applications for the plaques, if so I’ve missed them. But this particular sign will be discussed at a meeting of the Area Planning Sub-Committee this Thursday. The committee report (PDF) states that Councillor Denise Craghill requested that the application should be determined at sub-committee , as ‘Fossgate, as part of the city centre, is a matter of key concern for many residents and it is in the public interest for the application to be considered at committee.’

Guy Hanson (Design & Sustainability Manager, City of York Council) wrote in response to the proposal (PDF on this link):

The whole route up Walmgate and beyond to Colliergate towards the Minster (and in the other direction) is an important dynamic and evolving series of historic views. The proposed fixed overhead metal sign in spanning the street clearly interrupts and in some places dominates this integrity of the views of this important route. In deliberately drawing the eye and in placing it across the street (which is highly atypical) this is harmful to the experience of the open historic route.

A photo taken today shows how the current sign across the street partially blocks that fine view of the Minster from Fossgate:

Fossgate, earlier today, looking towards the Minster, partially obscured by the current banner (on the site of the proposed replacement)

Would a rather fancy metal sign in black paint and silver be any better?

The good thing about planning applications and the documents associated with them is that they often provoke thought on aspects of the city maybe forgotten about or taken for granted. Reading the above reminded me that some years ago, when working on Walmgate, I regularly walked from Bootham to Walmgate, past the Minster and along Petergate, down Colliergate and Fossgate, and the description above reminds me of this, of how it was so clearly a historic route. It felt like a straight line, though it isn’t quite, having a slight shift southwards overall, but essentially clearly a through route from one side of the city to the other. The fact that streets were given their own names doesn’t detract from this. The more I walked the same route the more I was aware of how historic and significant it was, the Bootham to Walmgate route.

To have a modern sign declaring one particular part of it as somehow an entrance or a special ‘quarter’ doesn’t seem appropriate.

As Esther Priestley (Landscape Architect, CYC) puts it in her response (PDF):

The proposed signage suggests a gateway or entrance, and a separation between Colliergate/Pavement and Fossgate; which is inappropriate because Fossgate is a street that continues from another in each direction. Fossgate is not a separate entity.

The streetscape in this area is described as:

a natural flow from Colliergate to Fossgate to Walmgate, presenting an attractive array of buildings and a series of evolving views. The view along Fossgate is particularly attractive from Pavement as the road dips down towards the Foss and Foss bridge and on to Walmgate which tantalisingly and subtly disappears from view around the curve in the street.

It suggests that ‘to add a metal banner into the foreground of this view adds unnecessary clutter’ and that it is ‘a contrived structure/gimmick in an otherwise historically evolved street’.

Guy Hanson’s response reaches a similar conclusion:

The proposal in branding Fossgate “Merchants’ Quarter” is a new concept/brand. It is not a recreation of a former structure and, whilst parts of the decoration alludes to a former fish market on Fossgate, such a brand inevitably is not able to represent the historic complexity of Fossgate. In being designed in a quasi historic aesthetic it is potentially historically misleading-constructing a false history. This erodes the value of the historic townscape.

The Merchants’ Quarter label is a little odd. References to the ‘Cultural Quarter’ (referring to the area around the art gallery, Theatre Royal and Museum Gardens) used to be common in council documents but the label doesn’t seem to have been generally embraced, as imposing such things tends not to work. Surely these identities for areas only work if the notion of a particular district with a particular theme evolves over time, over a long time, and if it does, it doesn’t need a massive great sign to point it out, as it’s so cool and enticing people are just naturally drawn there?

The point is also made that this type of sign, though popular in the late 20th century, isn’t looked upon favourably now:

Based on contemporary best practice, the urban fashion for these devices has largely disappeared and seen as crude even for contemporary city centre shopping centres

Have to say that all that makes sense to me.

I wonder what the councillors who vote on it will think.

It is true that Fossgate feels a little cut-off from the main part of the city centre, and the written responses to the application quoted above also recognise that, and suggest other possible solutions. What’s most obvious, from the top of Fossgate, is how for the pedestrian it is cut off by a road — a fairly wide road, compared to the width of the historic route from Petergate through to Fossgate. As illustrated in this photo, taken in summer 2015 on one of the ‘car free’ days.

View down Fossgate, on a car-free day, summer 2015

View down Fossgate, on a car-free day, summer 2015. Rather cut off by a large expanse of road at the top

Kerbs and tarmac effectively delineate the road and pedestrian space, as tarmac and pavements with kerbs tend to do.

Changing the paving at this junction here to flatten it and subtly emphasise pedestrian ‘flow’ towards Fossgate would be more effective perhaps, as suggested in the documents quoted above.

Thinking of that walk I mentioned I used to do, from Bootham to Walmgate, what also comes to mind is the way parts of it open out, lessening the sense of the historic route. Two substantial alterations to the medieval street pattern blasted holes in what would have continued as a fairly narrow and built-up route. Firstly on Petergate, where Duncombe Place was created to open up a view of the Minster, and then here in this area as we approach Fossgate, where suddenly there’s the opened out area to the left, with the hulking bulk of Stonebow House and the street of Stonebow next to it. A 20th century intervention. It’s that that has cut off Fossgate from the streets it used to be more closely linked to.

Clearly removing the road isn’t an option but that unhappy junction where it meets Pavement and Fossgate and Whip-ma-whop-ma-Gate could be improved with paving changes, the kind that make pedestrians claim the space and any buses and taxis slow down.

Fossgate seems to be quite a dynamic and happening place already, and clearly there are many significant developments underway or recently completed close to it that will mean more local residents and more passing shoppers. The Hungate development continues, with another phase of residential build apparently almost complete. Stonebow House, a stone’s throw away, is being remodeled, which will also involve some tidying of its scruffy end near the top of Fossgate. At the other end, there’s student housing down the road in Walmgate and another block planned. Then there are the proposed developments in Piccadilly – the Spark:York plan, or the hotel, or maybe both.

Cluttered with scaffolding and vehicles, but still so handsome: Fossgate, from Fossgate Bridge

Presumably with the large student population living in the blocks down Walmgate this is where, increasingly, Fossgate’s customers come from. There’s been a huge cultural shift in this area. Several established businesses frequented by a previous generation of York residents have disappeared: the furniture store in the old cinema building most recently (soon to be a restaurant) before that the Barbican Bookshop (now a cafe) and Army and Navy Stores (now Sutlers bar).

There are of course many small independent businesses down here. Fossgate really suffered in the recent floods at the end of 2015. Some of the businesses down there had a horrendous time. They and all other city centre small businesses deserve our custom and support. But I can’t see how a dominant sign at one end of Fossgate will help with that.

And the clock …

It was only today, getting back with the photos I took and looking through them, that I remembered the clock, visible on the photos on the building next to the banner. It wasn’t working when I took the photo in 2015, but it is now, and very handsome it looks too, as well as being useful. It was recently restored, as covered by the Press (there are more photos on this link, from BBC York on Facebook). ‘It means a lot to see the clock back up. When we decided to take it down, we didn’t know whether to scrap it or renovate it. We chose to renovate it to keep the character of the street the way it was for over 100 years’, said Maurice Woollons, whose family own the building.

The current banner obscures it and presumably the proposed replacement would too? Which doesn’t seem right.

(Though I think it needs someone to adjust it for British Summer Time …)

Fossgate earlier today – and its partially obscured handsome clock, recently restored

The matter will be discussed and decided upon at the meeting starting at 4.30 on 6 April. There will be a webcast (, which is always available to watch later too on the council’s YouTube channel if you can’t watch live.

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  1. No sign. Why? everyone will want one Goodramgate,Mickelgate.

  2. Yes, a sign would be useful to direct people down Fossgate.

  3. Nah, the notion for ‘quarters’ is already dated. In Liverpool entire streets such as Cumberland St have come out as gay and have little rainbows on the street name plaques to tell us so

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