Groves Chapel update: notes and queries

Groves Chapel, 12 June 2017

I’ve written a few pages about Groves Chapel (see this link for all of them) before the current redevelopment work started. It seems like time for an update. Above is a ‘hot off the press’ view of the building, taken on 12 June 2017.

Since the planning application for the site was approved, giving permission for conversion to a convenience store and residential accommodation, I’ve been following developments with interest.

As previously mentioned, it’s some time since the chapel was used as a place of worship — it has for many decades been owned and used by the NHS. But it’s still clearly a chapel building in appearance and has been used as such within living memory, and understandably the plans met with some opposition.

It was clearly designed to be an impressive and imposing building facing the Groves area, and Lowther Street in particular. It still is. I was genuinely impressed, earlier this year, while walking down Lowther Street towards it, to see the complicated structure under construction above its rather tired roof:

Groves Chapel from Lowther St, 19 March 2017

Groves Chapel from Lowther St (2), 19 March 2017

Clearly a temporary roof to cover the building while its roof was repaired (a complete re-slating, perhaps).

Some months on, here’s a view of the back of the building, on 12 June:

Groves Chapel, back view, 12 June 2017

Also at the back, the framework goes in for new structures on what was the car park area, during the chapel’s decades in NHS use.

Groves Chapel (back), 11 June 2017

There has been some demolition, of a rear extension to the chapel, shown below on a photo from February this year and since removed:

Groves Chapel, rear, from Union Terrace, 13 Feb 2017

Climbing on the low wall on one side of the chapel it is possible to have a look through the windows at the interior. Hard to get a good photo because of the usual building site muck on the windows, but I did my best:

Groves Chapel interior, through window, 11 June 2017 Groves Chapel interior, through window (2), 11 June 2016

It seems that the historic features remaining up there are to be boxed in, rather than removed. The iron pillars are interesting too, and will clearly have to remain. I wonder if any of them will be visible within the Sainsbury’s store. I remember the Jacksons supermarket on Bootham had similar freestanding pillars and that the supermarket shelving had been constructed around them. Resulting in a rather cramped layout, as I recall. A bit more space to play with here.

Seeing historic buildings retained and repaired and remodeled is always interesting. Building sites are generally seen as a sign that a place is thriving, new developments indicating growth and confidence. But perhaps for some of us our hearts might sink a little at this kind of thing:

Groves Chapel sign, luxury, exclusive, "offmarket" (June 2017)

I searched for info on ‘offmarket’, and it means what I thought it meant. On the website mentioned in that ad above you can read about ‘lucrative investment opportunities’ and how to build ‘a diverse property portfolio that is based on a mixture of income generation and capital growth’, with ‘high-quality real estate at undervalued prices’.

Like so many other recent examples, it reminds us that people with a lot of money to invest can buy up bits of the city and profit from it. Much talk of residential developments supplying ‘much-needed housing’, but the residential developments I’m seeing aren’t within the reach of the people who need the housing.

The logo for the development, on the bottom right of the sign above, caught my attention:

Logo for Groves Chapel development

It appears to be the city arms, with the date of the chapel’s construction wrapped around it, topped off with an architectural detail.

I was quite surprised to see this symbol used in this context, for a private development being marketed by a company based in London selling flats to investors. Referring to the very useful book Heraldry and the Buildings of York, by Hugh Murray, I’m reminded of the many shields of arms on the city’s bridges and public buildings and structures. It’s an important civic symbol. One I thought you needed permission to use (see this story from the Press a few years back, when the BNP used it). Perhaps permission has been requested in this case, and given. If so I’d like to know more about that. Perhaps I’ve just misunderstood — heraldry isn’t my strong point.

Comments welcome, if you have information or thoughts to add.

But to bring cheer I thought I’d end the page with another sign noticed just a few doors along, as I walked off pondering, towards town. On the door of the club on Clarence Street:

Sign on club door, Clarence St, 11 June 2017

Nice to see that the tradition of making a double ‘o’ into a pair of eyes when doing a handwritten sign is still going strong. I love this sign and it makes me smile every time I go past.

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2 comments

  1. To the best of my understanding, you’re not allowed to use someone else’s coat of arms in a way that implies some association or endorsement without their permission. In practice, you’ll usually get away with it in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, but probably not in Scotland. In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, heraldry is controlled by the College of Arms, and heraldic law enforced by something called the High Court of Chivalry, while in Scotland, it’s under the jurisdiction of the Court of the Lord Lyon. The High Court of Chivalry has convened once in the last three hundred years, to try a case brought in the 1950s by Manchester City Council against a somewhat risque local theatre who had been using their arms without permission. (Before the case got going, there was a detailed legal discussion to ascertain whether the Court still actually existed.) The Lord Lyon, however, has judicial authority to enforce his decisions, and regularly does so. (Amongst the people to have found themselves in Lyon Court are Donald Trump and Mohamed Fayed, both for using someone else’s arms.)

  2. I attended Groves Chapel in the 1960s when I lived in Union Terrace (the opposite end to where the Chapel is) Went to Sunday School, Girl Guides, Youth Club etc. I hope the wonderful plasterwork ceiling in the main chapel is retained.

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