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<p>Perusing a 1961 guidebook published 'by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen and Citizens of the City of York'. A city with no university, but plenty of industry.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_13572" style="width: 612px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-front-cover-kenneth-steel-900d.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-13572" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-front-cover-kenneth-steel-900d.jpg" alt="Illustration showing York Minster and the walls" width="602" height="900" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Front cover of the official guide: City and County of the City of York (1961). Illustration by Kenneth Steel.</p></div></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently been perusing an interesting guide to York, bought as part of a small pile of publications from the <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/goodbye-barbican-bookshop/">Barbican Bookshop</a>, in its closing down sale, some years back. As previously mentioned, I found the &#8216;local interest&#8217; shelves pretty much cleared, but a few <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/bettys-and-other-1930s-ads/">little treasures</a> were found. (See &#8216;related posts&#8217;, below, for several of them.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wanted to mention this particular guidebook, and feature a few scans of its pages, for some time.</p>
<p>Much of it is the familiar tourist-focused information on the Minster and other famous buildings. But alongside that are many pages illustrating York as it was for people living in the city, the places where residents worked and shopped.</p>
<p>My particular copy was once the property of <a href="https://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/whitby-hotel-closes-its-doors-for-the-final-time-1-1888003">Moorlands Hotel in Whitby</a>, the stamp in the front suggests. I wonder how and when it ended up tucked away in a corner of a secondhand bookshop in York.</p>
<p>The booklet was published &#8216;by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen and Citizens of the City of York&#8217;.</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13573" style="width: 738px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-title-page.jpg"><img class="size-large wp-image-13573" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-title-page-728x1024.jpg" alt="Title page of the 1961 York guide" width="728" height="1024" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Title page of the 1961 York guide</p></div></p>
<p>For me, looking at this title page of the booklet, the inclusion of the &#8216;Citizens&#8217; — and the fact that the word is capitalised — really stands out. Do we use the word &#8216;citizens&#8217; as often now? Probably not, and perhaps not with this amount of civic pride.</p>
<p>The guide, in its introductory &#8216;Welcome to York&#8217; page, ends with:</p>
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<p>&#8216;This book is not intended for the delectation of visitors only, but also for the men, women and children who dwell within the boundaries of our City.  The citizens of York are proud of their City, and York is proud of its citizens.  No matter where they may roam, those who have lived within the sound of the Minster bells, and have trodden its old streets, never forget the City of their birth or adoption, and for them this book may perhaps bring back happy memories.&#8217;</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s perhaps even more likely to provoke memories now it&#8217;s 57 years old, and it certainly gives an insight into the city as it was at the start of the 1960s.</p>
<p>After many pages of the kind of information you&#8217;d expect to find in a guide for visitors — the history of the city, and its well-known historic buildings — the subject of page 69 is the University of York, not built at that point, but clearly seen as an exciting and important thing for the city, after government approval in 1960.</p>
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<p>&#8216;The university will be built at Heslington, less than a mile from the city walls, on a site of nearly 200 acres which includes Heslington Hall and its grounds.&#8217;</p>
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<p>This is followed by a page on the city&#8217;s library and information service, and several pages on the history and uses of the Ouse, then brief information on the strays (mainly the Knavesmire), and the city&#8217;s parks and open spaces. There&#8217;s then, rather surprisingly, a &#8216;French Section&#8217;, which is actually just the one page. My French is quite poor but this part stood out:</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13575" style="width: 810px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-french-section-excerpt.jpg"><img class="size-large wp-image-13575" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-french-section-excerpt-1024x242.jpg" alt="From the French section of the 1961 guide to York" width="800" height="189" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">From the French section of the 1961 guide to York</p></div></p>
<p>Ah yes, the wagons de chemin de fer, the chocolat and the instruments optiques. It sounds even more impressive in French.</p>
<p>The reason this is in the French summary section is because this official guide, in 1961, devoted a whole four pages to &#8216;Commerce and Industry&#8217; (pages 88-91). Featuring, as you might expect, Rowntree and Co Ltd, followed by Joseph Terry and Sons Ltd. But then a reminder that the city&#8217;s workforce in the factories didn&#8217;t just make chocolate, with a page on the York Carriage and Wagon Works (aka the <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/tag/carriageworks">carriageworks</a>), followed by a page on Cooke, Troughton and Simms Ltd. (Cooke&#8217;s factory was at the Haxby Road site where the <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/bootham-park-hospital-replacement-facility-haxby-road-planning-application/">new mental health facility</a> is to be built.)</p>
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<a href='http://yorkstories.co.uk/?attachment_id=13591'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-industry-1-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="1961 York guide: Rowntree and Co and Terry and Sons" /></a>
<a href='http://yorkstories.co.uk/?attachment_id=13592'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-industry-2-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="1961 York guide: York Carriage and Wagon Works (aka &#039;the carriageworks&#039;) and Cooke, Troughton and Simms Ltd" /></a>
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<p>The advertisements towards the back of the guide remind us too of other places where many York citizens worked, back then.</p>
<p>Examples of <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/adams-hydraulics-1990/">Adams Hydraulics</a> ironwork can of course be seen all over York, if you&#8217;re paying attention to ground level ironwork (and perhaps in particular, as a 21st century citizen, if you&#8217;ve had concerns about <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/gullies-ditches-puddles-floods/">silted-up street drains</a>).</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13577" style="width: 633px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-guide-adams-hydraulics-ad-900d.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-13577" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-guide-adams-hydraulics-ad-900d.jpg" alt="Adams Hydraulics, advert from the 1961 guide" width="623" height="900" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Adams Hydraulics, advert from the 1961 guide</p></div></p>
<p>Big buildings advertised by Shepherd&#8217;s, including one for the University of Leeds which seems to be still in use (see <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/uv?hl=en&amp;pb=!1s0x48795eabb052ebcb:0x9d080d3b3015ed9c!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4s//geo3.ggpht.com/cbk?panoid%3DeOe6SdjKD19LotrHzSncGw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.LOCAL_UNIVERSAL.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D520%26h%3D175%26yaw%3D233.77583%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!5sGoogle+Search&amp;imagekey=!1e2!2seOe6SdjKD19LotrHzSncGw">Google Street View</a>), though it seems less likely that the &#8216;Boiler House for 52 acre factory&#8217; will have survived. (A quick Google suggests that the building was <a href="https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/olympia-mills-boiler-house-a-bocm-pauls-unitrition-a-selby-a-jan-2010.t47280">apparently still standing in 2010</a>.)</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13578" style="width: 627px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-guide-sheperd-ad-900d.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-13578" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-guide-sheperd-ad-900d.jpg" alt="Shepherd, advert from the 1961 guide" width="617" height="900" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Shepherd, advert from the 1961 guide</p></div></p>
<p>And then Shepherd Homes, building family housing out in the expanding suburbs:</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13579" style="width: 597px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-guide-sheperd-homes-ad-900d.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-13579" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-guide-sheperd-homes-ad-900d.jpg" alt="Shepherd Homes, advert from the 1961 guide" width="587" height="900" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Shepherd Homes, advert from the 1961 guide</p></div></p>
<p>From where the citizens of York might have worked and lived, to where they shopped:</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13580" style="width: 697px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-hunter-smallpage-ad.jpg"><img class="size-large wp-image-13580" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-hunter-smallpage-ad-687x1024.jpg" alt="Hunter and Smallpage, Goodramgate, advert from the 1961 guide" width="687" height="1024" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Hunter and Smallpage, Goodramgate, advert from the 1961 guide</p></div></p>
<p>Hunter and Smallpage&#8217;s advert inside the back cover of the guidebook highlights that the shop had &#8216;6 floor showrooms&#8217; and its own private car park, which must have been where Café Luca is now.</p>
<p>I remember the name Hunter and Smallpage, but don&#8217;t remember a store called Harts. But Harts also advertised in the 1961 guide, with a map showing the locations of various landmarks, including their shop:</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13582" style="width: 675px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-harts-store-ad-map-1024d.jpg"><img class="size-large wp-image-13582" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-harts-store-ad-map-1024d-665x1024.jpg" alt="1961 York guide: advert for Harts store" width="665" height="1024" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">1961 York guide: advert for Harts store</p></div></p>
<p>Interesting that the map includes mention of the <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/local-details-quiz-type-thing-4/">telephone exchange</a>, which of course at that time would have been a fairly new building, and was clearly seen as a landmark worthy of mention. And in the bottom corner of this page, the last page of the guide, mention of the printer of this official guide to York, in 1961. Printed locally, of course, at Ben Johnson&#8217;s, as so many things were, back then.</p>
<p>When I first thought about including this 1961 guide I thought it would be a case of just scanning some of the pages and adding them without too much comment, perhaps no comment at all. But it always ends up being more complicated than that, and several hours on from when I started this &#8216;quick page&#8217; I find I&#8217;ve still not finished, as looking carefully always prompts more questions, and usually more Googling. So I just have to mention the cover illustrations of this lovely guidebook, and the fact that when scanning it I paid more attention to the signature, Kenneth Steel, apparently. The back cover illustration is particularly pleasing.</p>
<p><div id="attachment_13584" style="width: 636px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-back-cover-kenneth-steel-900d.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-13584" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1961-york-guide-back-cover-kenneth-steel-900d.jpg" alt="1961 York guide, back cover. Illustration by Kenneth Steel." width="626" height="900" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">1961 York guide, back cover. Illustration by Kenneth Steel.</p></div></p>
<h2>Footnote</h2>
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		<title>My perfect York, 2026</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>An imaginary walk/cycle ride through my 'utopian vision' of York in 2026 … with the football ground still at Bootham Crescent, industrial heritage celebrated, and greenery and bees everywhere.</p>
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<p>A piece inspired by the <a href="http://myfutureyork.org/about/">My Future York</a> project. An imaginary walk/cycle ride through York in 2026 … a <a href="http://myfutureyork.org/futures-utopias/heritage-utopia/">utopian</a> vision of how I&#8217;d like my side of town to be.</p>
<p>. . . . .</p>
<p>On Burton Stone Lane there&#8217;s an entrance to the football and rugby ground, on what used to be the MoD land of Lumley Barracks. The plans for a new &#8216;community stadium&#8217; at Monks Cross were eventually abandoned after growing ludicrously bloated and unworkable, and a way was found to keep the football club at Bootham Crescent. The MoD land became available, and in a sudden surprise move the massively profitable housebuilder Persimmon decided to be philanthropic in the city where its business had begun, and instead of building houses on the Bootham Crescent ground, as had been the plan, it bought the whole site, and the MoD land, and donated it to the people of the city.</p>
<p>The new stadium has the necessary upgrade in facilities, and is also used by the rugby club. It&#8217;s still in the heart of the community, in the same place now for almost 100 years. Both York City FC and York City Knights are now doing well, with larger attendances.</p>
<p>Bootham Park hospital has reopened, and the forbidding &#8216;no unauthorised persons&#8217; signs around the site have been removed. The double gates to Bridge Lane have been repaired and are now open, allowing cyclists to access the site more easily without the danger of colliding with pedestrians. The former &#8216;gala field&#8217; is used for community events and the green space is better appreciated and cared for.</p>
<p>The journey from this part of York to the station has been made much easier since the construction of a new more accessible bridge alongside the old Scarborough Bridge, on the Clifton side. It curves across the river, set higher than the riverside paths so that it&#8217;s still accessible in times of flood. The floods are less dramatic these days, as there has been more work upstream to manage the flow before it reaches York.</p>
<p>The new curvy bridge over the river takes us into York Central. It&#8217;s possible to walk or cycle right through the middle of this area, to reach Holgate Road and Water End. It&#8217;s still a work in progress, but parts of it have been built. The tallest buildings, a mix of offices and residential blocks, are carefully sited so as not to block light from the rest of the site. Here, open parkland areas have been created and planted with trees – proper woodland trees like beech, oak and horse chestnut.</p>
<p>A strip of land planted with meadow flowers has extended from the original wildflower meadow around the Holgate arch right along the edge of the site, a river of flowers leading to the carriageworks canteen building.</p>
<p>The canteen was saved and has a new use as a community centre and business start-up space. On its walls are massive images of the carriageworks site in the past, and its workers, including those iconic images of all the bikes streaming out into the Holgate Road traffic. A &#8216;borrow a bike&#8217; scheme based here pays homage to that memory. Outside and through the wildflower areas are information boards giving a history of the site and what was built here, with a plan of where all the rail workshops were when the site was at its peak. The &#8216;pride&#8217; we talked about so much in the mid-1990s when the carriageworks closed has eventually been revived, thirty years later, through a thoughtful reuse of the site and its surviving buildings.</p>
<p>The new and old sit more happily together now. There&#8217;s not that conflict there used to be between those who want &#8216;progress&#8217; and those who used to be labelled &#8216;the heritage brigade&#8217;. More people have come to have a wider and deeper appreciation of this city&#8217;s heritage and also of their own, and how the two fit together, and there&#8217;s a recognition that intelligent development (&#8216;progress&#8217;) means working with what&#8217;s there, building on that.</p>
<p>Alongside the excitement of all things new and innovative there&#8217;s a growing recognition of the fact that it&#8217;s fairly easy to start things but much harder to keep them going, how much work and commitment it takes. A while back it was all about innovators and innovating. Now the focus is on maintainers, maintaining. In line with that, a new shopping area behind the station on the York Central development has been massively popular, featuring only those businesses with an established local presence dating from the 1980s or earlier. Many businesses ended up moving out of the walled city, as bars and restaurants moved in. York Central has its own fairly new &#8216;high street&#8217;, with a branch of Barnitts in the middle of it.</p>
<p>Heading back towards the city centre we pass the retained and improved Railway Institute buildings near the station, and pedestrians and those on two wheels can pass through the quiet arches under Queen Street bridge, taking the line the trains used to take, in the mid-19<sup>th</sup> century, right up to West Offices, the station at that time.</p>
<p>At West Offices there&#8217;s a drop-in centre where residents can get details of planning applications and comment on them or discuss them with other residents and local councillors. The old &#8216;us and them&#8217; attitude has gone, after more residents began to engage with the planning process and put pressure on the authorities to make changes in the way plans were presented. An improved online system has meant greater participation and understanding, and the Residents Planning Centre here at West Offices is usually lively and buzzing, with a good atmosphere, and occasional laughter even.</p>
<p>Leaving West Offices we can then walk along the city walls. Though many changes were proposed to the moats and mounds around the walls most of these weren&#8217;t put in place as residents campaigned to preserve the existing views. These have been enhanced by further planting of wildflowers right around the walls. The buzzing of bees can be heard as we pause to admire the view towards the Minster, which looks much the same as it did ten years ago, and a century ago.</p>
<p>Over the other side of Lendal Bridge the library and city archives continue to provide a valuable and well-used service.</p>
<p>If we walk past there, out of the city centre, up Gillygate and Clarence Street and onto Haxby Road, we find that an offshoot of the library and archives has recently opened in the newly refurbished Joseph Rowntree Memorial Library, alongside the Nestle South development. Lights are on in the old Rowntree factory building. People are living in there now.</p>
<p>Behind it there&#8217;s a new cycle track heading off towards Bootham Stray, which is still open land there for us, as it always was. Or we can cross the road and go past the allotments, towards Clifton Backies, then onto Kingsway, where the green space between the houses is also full of flowers, and bees buzzing. There are benches made by local residents, which are never vandalised, and there&#8217;s no litter on the ground, here or anywhere.</p>
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		<title>&#8216;Local List&#8217; buildings: progress report</title>
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<p>Catching up on what has been happening to the Burnholme Club, the Reynard's/Airspeed building, the White Swan Hotel, and with a brief reminder of a building in Holgate.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to catch up on what&#8217;s been happening with a few local buildings of particular interest featured on these pages over the years. All are also included on York&#8217;s draft &#8216;<a title="York's Local List, York Open Planning Forum" href="http://yorklocallist.org.uk/list.php">Local List</a>&#8216; (<a href="http://yorklocallist.org.uk/index.php">this page</a> includes explanation and context of the Local List).</p>
<h2>Demolition of Burnholme Club</h2>
<p>In January, demolition work began on this &#8216;fantasy villa&#8217;, aka Burnholme Club. We already knew this was going to happen, but I was still really shocked to see this photo.</p>
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<p>Demolition of former Burnholme Social Club begins <a href="http://t.co/qaPn1CJece">http://t.co/qaPn1CJece</a> <a href="http://t.co/oEk3XER4Jj">pic.twitter.com/oEk3XER4Jj</a></p>
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<p>Looks wrong, doesn&#8217;t it. Like something from the 1960s.</p>
<p>Over the course of the last decade or so I&#8217;ve seen other buildings demolished, and some buildings saved and remodelled for new uses. It&#8217;s always nice to see buildings reused, and generally in the 21st century it seems we try hard to do that, where possible. So what went wrong here?</p>
<p>This landmark building, confident and handsome, with prettier details, could have been a desirable residence, if turned into flats.</p>
<p>Not economically viable, apparently. But still really very shocking to see it destroyed in this way. Really is like going back to the 1960s, and not in a good way.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.yorkstories.co.uk/tag/burnholme-wmc">earlier pages on Burnholme Club</a> for more background information.</p>
<h2>Reynard&#8217;s garage/former Airspeed factory</h2>
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<p>This is really interesting. I&#8217;ve been banging on about this building for years, and I know I&#8217;m not the only one, and that many other people find it of interest and think that it should be preserved. The council, who own it, had apparently sold it, which, the available information suggested, meant it would be demolished and a hotel built on the site.</p>
<p>But no &#8230; I was rather pleased <a href="http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11782375.Hotel_plan_for_former_Piccadilly_garage_site_stalls/">to read in the Press</a> recently that all that had fallen through/been abandoned.</p>
<p>Why? Could it be that those with the power to affect such things realised it doesn&#8217;t look good demolishing interesting buildings, local heritage assets?</p>
<p>Perhaps there was some shame and embarrassment that the demolition of the Burnholme Club building was waved through with so little fight to save it.</p>
<p>Perhaps the new leader of the council read Nevil Shute&#8217;s autobiography <em>Slide Rule</em> and realised that this building is <a title="Nevil Shute and Airspeed, York: part 2" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/nevil-shute-and-airspeed-york-part-2/">really very interesting</a> and worth preserving.</p>
<p>Who knows. But there are now &#8216;new plans being drawn up&#8217;, <a href="http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11822343.New_plans_being_drawn_up_for_Reynard_s_Garage_site_in_York/">according to the Press</a>.</p>
<p>Do these involve the Yorkshire Air Museum? That would make sense.</p>
<p>Interest in 20th century history and industrial heritage is growing all the time. As is our awareness of place and local heritage. And the Yorkshire Air Museum <a title="Brochure for ‘Airspeed: a 1930s adventure’" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/airspeed-a-1930s-adventure-brochure/">wants to create a visitor attraction in the Reynard&#8217;s/Airspeed building</a>, based in a particular place where at a particular point in the 20th century a particularly interesting venture got off the ground.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of obvious what should happen, isn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>Or if not that, how about today&#8217;s young entrepreneurs occupying it, instead of <a title="Guildhall: DMAC project" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/guildhall-plans-dmac-2014/">the Guildhall buildings</a>, as that idea doesn&#8217;t appear to have massive popular support?</p>
<p>Background: <a title="All pages on the Airspeed/Reynard's building" href="http://www.yorkstories.co.uk/tag/airspeed">all pages on this site on the Airspeed/Reynard&#8217;s building</a></p>
<h2>Former White Swan Hotel, Piccadilly: looking good</h2>
<p>Ah, the White Swan. I&#8217;ve never been inside the place, but feel as if I have, having read so much about it, written so much about it, over so many years.</p>
<p>I had a wander past a month or so ago, and it was quite remarkable, the transformation.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8843" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/white-swan-piccadilly-040215-800.jpg" alt="White Swan, Piccadilly, 4 Feb 2015" width="800" height="600" /></p>
<p>I love to see what people who know what they&#8217;re doing can do with old buildings seen as &#8216;eyesores&#8217;. This building, because of its prettiness and its copying of older styles, was seen as something worth preserving and renovating, despite its shabby appearance from decades of emptiness. It&#8217;s so good to see it rescued from its sad and useless boarded-up state, after so long.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8844" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/white-swan-piccadilly-windows-040215-750.jpg" alt="White Swan, redeveloped, window detail, 4 Feb 2015" width="750" height="559" /></p>
<p>See <a title="All pages on the White Swan, Piccadilly" href="http://www.yorkstories.co.uk/tag/white-swan">earlier pages on the White Swan, Piccadilly</a> for more background.</p>
<h2>Meanwhile, over in Holgate &#8230;</h2>
<p>Perhaps the rather less pretty but particularly interesting Reynard&#8217;s/Airspeed building will also be rescued and remodelled for a new use after years of dereliction. And meanwhile, over in Holgate, I&#8217;m hoping that this significant reminder of our industrial and cultural heritage hasn&#8217;t yet gone the way of the Burnholme Club building, but I guess it won&#8217;t be long before we see photos of it being smashed to bits.</p>
<p><div id="attachment_7241" style="width: 810px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img class="size-full wp-image-7241" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-270714-800.jpg" alt="Victorian building, surrounded by weeds" width="800" height="524" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Carriageworks canteen, Holgate Rd, 27 July 2014</p></div></p>
<p>Not widely appreciated, generally forgotten, but the character area statement for this area — part of the <a href="http://www.york.gov.uk/info/200701/york_historic_environment_characterisation_project/1239/york_historic_environment_characterisation_project/3">Historic Environment Characterisation Project</a> — recognises the significance of this former canteen, once part of the entrance to a busy workplace, and an important part of York&#8217;s story for many York residents:</p>
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<p>The carriage works still function for the repair and maintenance of railway equipment and represent a significant survival of railway structures. The canteen buildings (1888) at these works have been nominated for inclusion on the Local List of Heritage Assets as the last remaining social building in the carriage works complex. Some buildings have unfortunately been recently demolished by Network Rail for health and safety reasons.</p>
<p>&#8230; Those buildings that have been recommended for inclusion on the Local List of Heritage Assets add significant value to the character of this area. The majority are intimately connected with the railway. Every effort should be made to ensure that these buildings are retained and kept in productive use. Their loss or inappropriate alteration would have significant impacts on the character of this area. Remaining historic railway and industrial structures should wherever possible be retained and sympathetically converted to practical uses. Many could be successfully integrated into modern development.</p>
<p>Source: PDF download from <a href="http://www.york.gov.uk/downloads/file/14047/area_31_lorespdf">this page on the council website</a></p>
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<p>Will York ever find a way to respect and preserve this building, as it found a way to preserve the White Swan on Piccadilly and may yet find a way into the future for the Airspeed factory? It is 2015 after all, it&#8217;s not the 1960s, we&#8217;re wiser now about &#8216;heritage&#8217; in all its forms.</p>
<p>For more on the meaning and significance of the carriageworks canteen, <a title="Pages on the carriageworks" href="http://www.yorkstories.co.uk/tag/carriageworks">see the other pages on this website</a>.</p>
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<p>Back in June I asked for memories, thoughts provoked by this building. It is, as many of you knew, the old carriageworks canteen. It was part of a group of buildings at the entrance. If you're interested in York's real and recent history, its heritage and its culture, you may be interested in these comments.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_7250" style="width: 370px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-251211-800.jpg"><img class="wp-image-7250" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-251211-800-480x290.jpg" alt="Victorian building, disused" width="360" height="218" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Carriageworks canteen, December 2011</p></div></p>
<p>Back in June I asked for memories, <a title="One building, and some questions" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/one-building-some-questions/">thoughts provoked by this building</a>. It is, as many of you knew, the old carriageworks canteen. It was part of a group of buildings at the entrance.</p>
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<p>These responses were brilliant, thank you.</p>
<p>Thoughts follow underneath your words.</p>
<p>I asked: &#8216;<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #000000;">If you recognise this building, I&#8217;m interested in what it means to you. If it has any meaning, if it reminds you of anything, if it stands for anything, symbolises anything to you.&#8217;</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">to me it was a big dinnertime social hub, lots of railway men having their dinner, lots of banter going on, time to meet up with your mates who worked in different departments. Back in the early days when we worked all day on a friday, everybody went to the pub or club (Loco,Volunteer, Fox, Holgate Club, or Bowling Club) then it was a mad dash back to the canteen to get a bag of sausage &amp; chips or just chips. Unfortunately my last memory of the building , is going back to pick up my redundancy cheque.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 11:28 AM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">To me it represents a lost part of York&#8217;s industrial and engineering heritage, and the neglect of 19th/20th Century history in favour of medieval king-chasing and pseudo-Vikingism.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 12:10 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Giving Blood! Future Prospects Bikes<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 12:12 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Nice canteen if only they had kept the gate house<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 1:35 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">The sight of hundreds of workers leaving at 4:30 on a weekday afternoon. It was an area to avoid if you were in a rush to get anywhere.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 8:57 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">I don&#8217;t recognise it but I would guess that it&#8217;s a railway workshop of some sort. It&#8217;s odd, isn&#8217;t it, that although it has the NRM, there is so little public acknowledgement that York was a major centre of carriage making. York should not just treat all of its nineteenth century manufacturing heritage as low grade disposable buildings.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 9:54 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Reminds me of the many menfolk in my wife&#8217;s family,earning their living,building Railway Carriages,using their various skilled (apprentice trained) ability&#8217;s . Particularly my Ex Sergeant Major WW2 Dad in Law,who was the no.1 Crane traverse driver,after the war,shifting all the carriages to/from work stations,to enable the many trades to apply their skills.Hard work leavened with a nice &#8220;Pint&#8221;in the Fox inn after work!( not forgetting,before/during)! A VERY SAD LOSS to York&#8217;s wage earners.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/22/2014 9:59 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It&#8217;s another sign of another traditional York industry that has sadly gone, along with chocolate, the railways used to be a massive employer in the city, but no more. Very sad really.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/23/2014 9:37 AM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It&#8217;s a remnant of York&#8217;s recent industrial heritage &#8211; there are plenty still alive who will have trained and worked there &#8211; if they didn&#8217;t get killed by asbestos related diseases. Manchester are doing great things with buildings like that! Would be a great music venue or something similar.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/23/2014 9:49 AM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">This was on the left of the main entrance to the Carriage Works, and was the works canteen. The furthest part of the building had an upper storey attached to it, you can still see the remains of the girder that supported this on the side of the building. There was also a detached house complete with mature garden in front of the canteen, where the cycle path now is. The majority of these buildings were demolished when the works closed, but the canteen was left as there were plans to convert it to a community centre. these plans fell through, but the building remains, although the proposed link road into the tear-drop development will be constructed here, so I suppose it could go at any time. My recollections are of this site in the mid sixties, and the throng of workers leaving on their bikes at the end of their shifts. I also remember in the summer months, workers sat on the stone wall of the culvert over holgate beck eating fish and chips bought from the chip shop at the corner of Park lane.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/23/2014 12:46 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">No personal symbolism or meaning. I know it was a large employer at one point when stock was built in York. I visited there once whilst working for the council -2002, think for a training course. Appeared to be an underused resource (there you go &#8211; a symbol of decline).<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/24/2014 11:53 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Soon to be demolished no doubt and one further lost reminder of York&#8217;s industrial and work-a-day past. But, potential for retrofitting for start up businesses, studios etc. oh yes.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/26/2014 10:19 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It looks disused, industrial, Victorian (?) but somewhat pleasant&#8211;I love the brickwork!<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 3:37 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Thoughts are the good times i spent working there. Only three years but unforgetable, so much fun to work there. Also the susidised meals in the canteen were very good.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 3:45 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">A trigger for memories of past times, I personally would like it to remain, because I feel too much is unnecessarily lost in regards to the protection of heritage.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 4:11 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It makes me think of my late great grandfather, Tom Shepherdson, who worked for the North Eastern Railway as a joiner and who was killed by the Oxford to York Express in the course of his duties at Askham Bog signal box in January 1910 (I had a letter in The Press about this recently). He came from a long line of Shepherdsons from Catton near Stamford Bridge. All the Shepherdson men were joiners, carpenters or wheelrights (and probably the local undertaker too). I also think of the huge number of bikes that emerged from the Carriage works at 12 noon and tea-time. If you were behind them in a vehicle there was absolutely no chance of overtaking them.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 7:17 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">I have always had a strong image of it being a bustling factory, with workers (definitely all male) buzzing around amongst noise and sparks. This probably comes from the odd story my parents told me about the area and hundreds of men sat on the wall by the Fox Inn, all from the carriage works, having their fish and chips on a Friday afternoon, and what a sight it was. Their description was tinged with sadness.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 8:57 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">I lived in St. Paul&#8217;s Terrace for 5 years so I saw it regularly when I walked around the area. It reminds me of that period of my life (generally a good one). At the time, it made me a little sad to realise that the area was once full of similar buildings, all busy and working (I used to imagine people walking from St. Paul&#8217;s Terrace, Railway Terrace etc. to the gates just over the bridge on Cinder Lane to go to work in the mornings).<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/21/2014 11:17 PM</span></p>
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<p>Here&#8217;s the building recently, as it looks this summer —</p>
<p><div id="attachment_7241" style="width: 468px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-270714-800.jpg"><img class="wp-image-7241 size-medium" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-270714-800-458x300.jpg" alt="Victorian building, surrounded by weeds" width="458" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Carriageworks canteen, Holgate Rd, 27 July 2014</p></div></p>
<p>The place might look forgotten, but the comments above show that it isn&#8217;t, and that it has other meanings too, even to people who perhaps don&#8217;t remember it as I do, and as many of you do, in the 70s, 80s, earlier, when it was part of the entrance to a thriving and busy place.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just about our memories. I thought that perhaps everyone who answered would be like me, remembering. There are other messages in the above, more general thoughts about York&#8217;s industrial heritage and our attitudes to it, and I hope that the comments above are read by those who get to decide on what gets demolished in this city and what&#8217;s considered to have value, to be worth retaining.</p>
<p>This building, these comments suggest, is recognised as the aesthetically pleasing building it is (&#8216;I love the brickwork&#8217;), and as having a bigger significance, as symbolising something we&#8217;re losing.</p>
<p>I was also struck by, and cheered up by, the comment which mentions a memory of place being passed on: &#8216;My parents told me about the area and hundreds of men sat on the wall by the Fox Inn, all from the carriage works&#8217;.</p>
<p>I happen to know some of those men from the carriage works. And I remember the carriageworks, and that entrance, that canteen, from when I passed it, thousands of times, over the years, on my way to school. I remember it closing, I remember visiting it in the mid 1990s before it closed. I have photos, press cuttings, and audio recordings from May 1995, and will be putting some of those things on these pages. Because it&#8217;s important, and it&#8217;s not being recorded enough, and leaving it in our memories or just chatting about it isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>Thank you to everyone who remembered, or was interested and cared even if you weren&#8217;t there to have known it personally as an important place. Thanks for recognising that it was.</p>
<p>This building has no protection at all, which seems odd for a place which clearly has local meaning and value on many levels. There should be full consultation on what happens to it.</p>
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<p>A note on names, and 'carriage works'/'carriageworks', BREL, etc.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_7232" style="width: 425px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-270704.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-7232" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/carriageworks-canteen-270704-415x300.jpg" alt="Victorian railway workshop building" width="415" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Carriageworks canteen, Holgate Rd, 27 July 2004</p></div></p>
<p>Back in June, in <a title="One building, and some questions" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/one-building-some-questions/">a short survey</a>, I asked if readers recognised this building. It&#8217;s pictured here as it looked 10 years ago, July 2004.</p>
<p>It was really nice to see your answers coming in. It had looked as if the place had been forgotten. But you, dear readers, you haven&#8217;t forgotten it.</p>
<p>27 people answered the survey, and 17 of you knew what the building used to be. Thanks to everyone who answered, everyone who remembered.</p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It was the canteen at BREL on Holgate Road<br /><span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 11:28 AM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It&#8217;s one of the old railway buildings near the Fox Inn in Holgate.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 12:10 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Carriage Works Canteen Holgate Road<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 12:12 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Brel canteen holgate road<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 1:35 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">York carriage works, holgate rd<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/21/2014 8:57 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Part of carriage works complex,alongside Wilton rise,in Holgate Rd,which I passed many times&#8221;Long Walks Home&#8221;,from Acomb in the 1950&#8217;s.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/22/2014 9:59 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">It it the old carriageworks on Holgate Road<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/23/2014 9:37 AM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Part of the Carriageworks off Acomb/Poppleton Road isn&#8217;t it?<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/23/2014 9:49 AM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">The old Carriage Works staff canteen. Bottom of Holgate Hill, between the Fox pub and Wilton Rise<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/23/2014 12:46 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">entrance to carriage works on acomb rd<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/24/2014 3:40 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Carriage Works off Holgate Road.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/24/2014 11:53 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Coach works off Holgate Road<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">6/26/2014 10:19 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">York Carriage Works. The canteen.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 3:45 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">A guess: Holgate Road, the former BR carriage works?<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 4:11 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">York Carriageworks<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 7:17 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">I think it&#8217;s part of the old railway buildings, behind the Fox Inn on Holgate Road.<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/4/2014 8:57 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">I think it used to be part of the carriageworks near Holgate (just off Wilton Rise).<br /> <span class="ta-response-item-date" style="color: #888888; font-size: small;">7/21/2014 11:17 PM</span></p>
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<p class="ta-response-item-content">Your answers highlight a small dilemma I&#8217;ve had in the naming of this place. Carriage Works or carriageworks? Two words or one? I&#8217;ve always gone for &#8216;carriageworks&#8217;, naturally and without thinking about it, but the spellchecker doesn&#8217;t like it and underlines it in red. Many official documents call it &#8216;Carriage Works&#8217;. But the local press, and many of you, also write it as &#8216;carriageworks&#8217;.</p>
<p class="ta-response-item-content">In this internet world where I need tags and hashtags it&#8217;s easier to use the one word title carriageworks, as I always have. So that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to do. There will be several pages on the carriageworks, possibly many pages, and to make sure they&#8217;re given the prominence they deserve they have their own <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/category/carriageworks">&#8216;carriageworks&#8217; category</a> and also their own <a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/tag/carriageworks">&#8216;carriageworks&#8217; tag</a>.</p>
<p class="ta-response-item-content">Like many places it doesn&#8217;t have just one name. People who worked on this site might refer to it differently — you might have noticed in the above answers two references to BREL. The carriageworks was BREL (<a title="Wikipedia: BREL" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREL" target="_blank">British Rail Engineering Ltd</a>) for a couple of decades, late 1960s to late 1980s. I remember the makers plates on the carriages of trains I travelled on then, and feeling proud when I noticed that BREL YORK lettering.</p>
<p class="ta-response-item-content">Later the carriageworks/BREL became <a title="Wikipedia: ABB Group" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABB_Group" target="_blank">ABB</a>. No one who answered my survey question called it that. It was ABB when it closed in the mid-1990s.</p>
<p class="ta-response-item-content">I&#8217;ve included a reminder of that in the form of some <a title="Carriageworks (ABB) closure: 1995 audio" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/abb-carriageworks-closure-1995-audio/">audio recorded at the time</a>, recently digitised.</p>
<p class="ta-response-item-content">Here in the present time, more on <a title="Carriageworks canteen: readers' thoughts" href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/carriageworks-canteen-thoughts/">what you said</a> about this building, your memories and thoughts.</p>
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<p>Almost 20 years after it happened, a reminder of what the closure of York's carriageworks meant. A selection of snippets, news reports, reaction and background, recorded from the radio in May 1995 when the closure was announced.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_7228" style="width: 227px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/phil-singleton-abb-entrance-workers-1995-600.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-7228" src="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/phil-singleton-abb-entrance-workers-1995-600-217x300.jpg" alt="Workers leaving factory" width="217" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">ABB entrance, 1995. Photo: Phil Singleton</p></div></p>
<p>Almost 20 years after it happened, a reminder of what the closure of York&#8217;s carriageworks meant. Below is a selection of snippets, news reports, reaction and background, recorded from the radio in May 1995 when the closure was announced. Many voices. Please do have a listen, particularly if you don&#8217;t know about this important aspect of York&#8217;s history. If you haven&#8217;t time to listen to them all (though all are quite short), maybe listen to the first and the last.</p>
<p>The carriageworks is what most of us called it, but by the time of its closure it was known as ABB. And by the time of its closure it was a modern and efficient factory. Or as the first clip states:</p>
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<p>&#8216;ABB&#8217;s Holgate Road factory is the biggest train builder in Britain and one of the most modern in the world&#8217;.</p>
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<p>BBC Radio York reports on the closure, short compilation of first reactions and news reports, 11 May 1995 (3 mins 31 secs):</p>
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<p>Radio York, 11 May 1995, carriageworks closure, news report (43 secs):</p>
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<p>Mike Briscoe, transport correspondent, gives the background/recent history leading to the closure announcement, on Radio York (4 mins 59 secs):</p>
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<p>The Managing Editor of the Evening Press talks to Barry Parker, Radio York, about the closure, the newspaper&#8217;s campaign, and its supplement celebrating the carriageworks (2 mins 35 secs):</p>
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<p>Mabel, a caller to Jonathan Cowap&#8217;s programme, Radio York, morning of 12 May 1995. Mabel and Jonathan discuss the impact of the closure, and their sadness <br />(56 secs):</p>
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<p>Pat, a caller to Jonathan Cowap&#8217;s programme, 12 May 1995. Pat lives near the carriageworks, her call conveys the way this factory was at the heart of the community <br />(2 mins 36 secs):</p>
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<p>The piece that sticks in my mind the most is this from Mike Briscoe, north of England transport correspondent, on BBC Radio 5 Live, a few days after the closure announcement. I thought it was such a brilliant and poignant piece I spent a long time typing up his words at the time. Now retrieved and turned into a PDF, so you can read it as well. But I recommend a listen. He conveyed so well, in measured words beautifully delivered, the feelings many of us had at that time. He highlighted the &#8216;hiatus&#8217; that had led to the closure.</p>
<p>Mike Briscoe on BBC Radio 5 Live, 14 May 1995 (3 mins 47 secs):</p>
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<p><a href="http://yorkstories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/transcript-mike-briscoe-piece-abb-1995.pdf">Transcript of the above</a> (PDF)</p>
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<p>I have a full C90 audio cassette from which these extracts were taken. I recorded it on one of those bulky radio cassette recorders, in a flat on Bootham where I was living at the time. The cassette is one of many I made a digital copy of earlier this year. I haven&#8217;t asked for permission from the BBC to include these extracts but I trust no one objects.</p>
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