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		<title>By: YorkStories</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/without-credit/#comment-480</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;It does seem to be everywhere. Cutting and pasting from Wikipedia seems particularly popular. Thanks for that link - very interesting. Thanks too for your kind words.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem to be everywhere. Cutting and pasting from Wikipedia seems particularly popular. Thanks for that link &#8211; very interesting. Thanks too for your kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Tuckwell</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/without-credit/#comment-479</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Lisa, plagiarism like this is annoyingly bad manners I agree, and there is too much of it. I can get very cynical when I read how much lazy copying there is in &#8216;professional&#8217; newspapers. For evidence, look at the excellent Tabloid Watch blog here:  http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/plagiarism&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but please don&#8217;t let that put you off - reading your site makes me feel refreshed and positive instead! It&#8217;s a beacon of how to do things properly - the writing is always beautifully clear and correct and sources are politely acknowledged.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, plagiarism like this is annoyingly bad manners I agree, and there is too much of it. I can get very cynical when I read how much lazy copying there is in &#8216;professional&#8217; newspapers. For evidence, look at the excellent Tabloid Watch blog here:  <a href="http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/plagiarism" rel="nofollow">http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/plagiarism</a></p>
<p>but please don&#8217;t let that put you off &#8211; reading your site makes me feel refreshed and positive instead! It&#8217;s a beacon of how to do things properly &#8211; the writing is always beautifully clear and correct and sources are politely acknowledged.</p>
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		<title>By: YorkStories</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/without-credit/#comment-478</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I was pleased to read your comment, Eileen - thanks for knowing what I mean!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it certainly is a big deal if someone&#8217;s nicked your photo - would have been easy enough to ask, wouldn&#8217;t it. Or just make more effort to take her own photo. The fact that it was taken in your front room makes it worse somehow, doesn&#8217;t it! Has she popped round and made herself a cup of tea in your kitchen too?!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seeing your own work on someone else&#8217;s page is very odd. And increasingly common, sadly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trying to add some more pages soon. Thanks for supporting this website - hope you&#8217;ll continue to visit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pleased to read your comment, Eileen &#8211; thanks for knowing what I mean!</p>
<p>I think it certainly is a big deal if someone&#8217;s nicked your photo &#8211; would have been easy enough to ask, wouldn&#8217;t it. Or just make more effort to take her own photo. The fact that it was taken in your front room makes it worse somehow, doesn&#8217;t it! Has she popped round and made herself a cup of tea in your kitchen too?!</p>
<p>Seeing your own work on someone else&#8217;s page is very odd. And increasingly common, sadly.</p>
<p>Trying to add some more pages soon. Thanks for supporting this website &#8211; hope you&#8217;ll continue to visit.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/without-credit/#comment-477</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hiya hope you don&#8217;t mind me commenting. I regularly read your pages as I love York and find your interest in social history very much to my taste. Anyway&#8230;sometime ago I used to sell on ebay and my photos were rather distinctive as the things I sold were displayed with the backdrop of my front room. I was browsing and found someone had used one of my photos to sell an item! No big deal perhaps but it was so annoying&#8230;.I tried to make my photos look the best I could to sell something and someone was using my hard work! The person concerned said her camera had broken so she borrowed the image. My photos arn&#8217;t up to the standard of your writing but the principle&#8217;s the same. Please don&#8217;t let this put you off sharing your photos and thoughts I&#8217;m sure there are a lot of us out here who enjoy your pages. We may be silent but we&#8217;re here supporting you&#8230;take care&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya hope you don&#8217;t mind me commenting. I regularly read your pages as I love York and find your interest in social history very much to my taste. Anyway&#8230;sometime ago I used to sell on ebay and my photos were rather distinctive as the things I sold were displayed with the backdrop of my front room. I was browsing and found someone had used one of my photos to sell an item! No big deal perhaps but it was so annoying&#8230;.I tried to make my photos look the best I could to sell something and someone was using my hard work! The person concerned said her camera had broken so she borrowed the image. My photos arn&#8217;t up to the standard of your writing but the principle&#8217;s the same. Please don&#8217;t let this put you off sharing your photos and thoughts I&#8217;m sure there are a lot of us out here who enjoy your pages. We may be silent but we&#8217;re here supporting you&#8230;take care</p>
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		<title>By: YorkStories</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/without-credit/#comment-476</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Further thoughts &#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were feeling generous and less irritated it could be seen as &#8230; that he&#8217;s tried to do the right thing by including links further down the page to the page with the text he quoted. But I know that no one will connect the two. They probably won&#8217;t even visit the pages of mine he links to, and if they do, only for a second.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe what I see as obvious and straightforward, isn&#8217;t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All that was needed was to put quotation marks or to indent the paragraphs and then put &#8216;-from [link to the page]&#8217; directly under the quote. To make sure it stays attached to its &#8216;owner&#8217; (me) - as much as that&#8217;s ever possible on the web &#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are no doubt a range of views out there, from people who know exactly why I&#8217;m bothered by this, to people who think I&#8217;m making a fuss about nothing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, involved in other things in the &#8216;real world&#8217; just now, off back to them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further thoughts &#8230;</p>
<p>If I were feeling generous and less irritated it could be seen as &#8230; that he&#8217;s tried to do the right thing by including links further down the page to the page with the text he quoted. But I know that no one will connect the two. They probably won&#8217;t even visit the pages of mine he links to, and if they do, only for a second.</p>
<p>Maybe what I see as obvious and straightforward, isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>All that was needed was to put quotation marks or to indent the paragraphs and then put &#8216;-from [link to the page]&#8217; directly under the quote. To make sure it stays attached to its &#8216;owner&#8217; (me) &#8211; as much as that&#8217;s ever possible on the web &#8230;</p>
<p>There are no doubt a range of views out there, from people who know exactly why I&#8217;m bothered by this, to people who think I&#8217;m making a fuss about nothing.</p>
<p>Anyway, involved in other things in the &#8216;real world&#8217; just now, off back to them.</p>
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		<title>By: YorkStories</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/without-credit/#comment-475</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;But it&#8217;s not a mash-up, in this case, surely? - it&#8217;s just a bit of lazy cut and pasting. Like I said, it happens a lot, and I don&#8217;t jump up and down shouting every time it happens, but it gets really tiresome. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The main issue here is that the copied text isn&#8217;t just some factual thing I copied or cobbled together from Wikipedia, it&#8217;s a personal piece - clearly, as it includes the word &#8216;I&#8217;. So who is &#8216;I&#8217; on his page? It&#8217;s not me, is it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It does raise more general issues I&#8217;ve thought about often and which I&#8217;m sure many others have who put creative work on the web. Which is why I&#8217;ve written about it on here rather than merely commenting on the page in question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a general attitude change - maybe many changes - which tend to lead me to the belief that I need to change my approach too. I shouldn&#8217;t put so much effort into trying to get things &#8216;just right&#8217; - it&#8217;s only on the web, so it&#8217;s essentially ephemeral, of less value, easily &#8217;stolen&#8217;. The shared values of the web which were understood years ago are gone. The lack of generosity in crediting sources is perhaps, to me, the most obvious change.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s not a mash-up, in this case, surely? &#8211; it&#8217;s just a bit of lazy cut and pasting. Like I said, it happens a lot, and I don&#8217;t jump up and down shouting every time it happens, but it gets really tiresome. </p>
<p>The main issue here is that the copied text isn&#8217;t just some factual thing I copied or cobbled together from Wikipedia, it&#8217;s a personal piece &#8211; clearly, as it includes the word &#8216;I&#8217;. So who is &#8216;I&#8217; on his page? It&#8217;s not me, is it.</p>
<p>It does raise more general issues I&#8217;ve thought about often and which I&#8217;m sure many others have who put creative work on the web. Which is why I&#8217;ve written about it on here rather than merely commenting on the page in question.</p>
<p>There is a general attitude change &#8211; maybe many changes &#8211; which tend to lead me to the belief that I need to change my approach too. I shouldn&#8217;t put so much effort into trying to get things &#8216;just right&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s only on the web, so it&#8217;s essentially ephemeral, of less value, easily &#8217;stolen&#8217;. The shared values of the web which were understood years ago are gone. The lack of generosity in crediting sources is perhaps, to me, the most obvious change.</p>
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