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	<title>Comments on: The &#8216;Stonebow is a listed building&#8217; myth</title>
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		<title>By: A W Brooks</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/the-stonebow-is-a-listed-building-myth/#comment-667880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A W Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2017 19:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forget the Stonebow building, the new Herbert Todd building on Monks Cross Way is much, much uglier. It is a black corrugated metal barn. It would look at home on a Soviet submarine base - but never on a street in York. What on earth could it have been that induced York&#039;s planning committee to allow it to be built? It&#039;s a real mystery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the Stonebow building, the new Herbert Todd building on Monks Cross Way is much, much uglier. It is a black corrugated metal barn. It would look at home on a Soviet submarine base &#8211; but never on a street in York. What on earth could it have been that induced York&#8217;s planning committee to allow it to be built? It&#8217;s a real mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Blitz</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/the-stonebow-is-a-listed-building-myth/#comment-662170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Blitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it is worth, when I served as a York Councillor (former Monk Ward, 2000-03) then some students came to a planning committee (of which I was a member) meeting ...obviously thinking (?) &#039;it would be a fine wheeze&#039; to propose that Stonebow House be listed. 

Said verbal petition was listened to, courteously ...and promptly ignored, with no Planning Member speaking to support the suggestion! After the clowns left there was much shaking of heads by both Labour &amp; Lib Dem Members (there was no Tory, or other, Cllr involvement!)

Separately, I took a very active interest in the refenestration of the (then still predominantly Council-owned) Navigation Rd/Rosemary Court/Rosemary Place flats. 

Oh how York&#039;s precious planning officers (clutching Pevsner&#039;s Guide to their breasts as if it were Chairman Mao&#039;s &#039;little red book!) clung to Pevsner&#039;s apparent admiration (expressed in said guide) of this conventional enough 1930s Local Authority development - essentially a barrack-block on Navigation Road.
Pevsner commented on the (fine) detailing of the openings (doors and/or windows) ...which led to an architectural liaison officer to describe it, in writing, (meaninglessly!) as &#039;Neo-Georgian. 

I phoned this woman and asked if CYC pressurised the owners to punch a 6 x 4 hole, then inserting a window to fit, in the Peasholme Green end of Stonebow House ...would that make IT also &#039;Neo-Georgian&#039;?

Sadly, brain in retrograde direction, said Council Officer (= &#039;official&#039;) responded that in her opinion ...it WOULD.

To which my response was (and remains!) ...&#039;I rest my case!&#039;

Am STILL unsure which is the sadder tale!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth, when I served as a York Councillor (former Monk Ward, 2000-03) then some students came to a planning committee (of which I was a member) meeting &#8230;obviously thinking (?) &#8216;it would be a fine wheeze&#8217; to propose that Stonebow House be listed. </p>
<p>Said verbal petition was listened to, courteously &#8230;and promptly ignored, with no Planning Member speaking to support the suggestion! After the clowns left there was much shaking of heads by both Labour &amp; Lib Dem Members (there was no Tory, or other, Cllr involvement!)</p>
<p>Separately, I took a very active interest in the refenestration of the (then still predominantly Council-owned) Navigation Rd/Rosemary Court/Rosemary Place flats. </p>
<p>Oh how York&#8217;s precious planning officers (clutching Pevsner&#8217;s Guide to their breasts as if it were Chairman Mao&#8217;s &#8216;little red book!) clung to Pevsner&#8217;s apparent admiration (expressed in said guide) of this conventional enough 1930s Local Authority development &#8211; essentially a barrack-block on Navigation Road.<br />
Pevsner commented on the (fine) detailing of the openings (doors and/or windows) &#8230;which led to an architectural liaison officer to describe it, in writing, (meaninglessly!) as &#8216;Neo-Georgian. </p>
<p>I phoned this woman and asked if CYC pressurised the owners to punch a 6 x 4 hole, then inserting a window to fit, in the Peasholme Green end of Stonebow House &#8230;would that make IT also &#8216;Neo-Georgian&#8217;?</p>
<p>Sadly, brain in retrograde direction, said Council Officer (= &#8216;official&#8217;) responded that in her opinion &#8230;it WOULD.</p>
<p>To which my response was (and remains!) &#8230;&#8217;I rest my case!&#8217;</p>
<p>Am STILL unsure which is the sadder tale!</p>
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		<title>By: Stonebow House&#8217;s architects (it isn&#8217;t listed by English Heritage) &#124; York: Living with History</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/the-stonebow-is-a-listed-building-myth/#comment-83245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stonebow House&#8217;s architects (it isn&#8217;t listed by English Heritage) &#124; York: Living with History]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] As York Stories has shown definitely, Stonebow House is not listed by English Heritage &#8211; though this has been a much discussed point over the years. Neither, does it seem are any other buildings built by Wells, Hickman and Partners which have been listed, though two are mentioned on the National Heritage List for England. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] As York Stories has shown definitely, Stonebow House is not listed by English Heritage &#8211; though this has been a much discussed point over the years. Neither, does it seem are any other buildings built by Wells, Hickman and Partners which have been listed, though two are mentioned on the National Heritage List for England. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Breaking the Fundamental Rules &#124; The Heritage York Project</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/the-stonebow-is-a-listed-building-myth/#comment-40520</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breaking the Fundamental Rules &#124; The Heritage York Project]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Which rule does this break? How? Why? From the York Stories website (2013)  [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Which rule does this break? How? Why? From the York Stories website (2013)  [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/the-stonebow-is-a-listed-building-myth/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;It&#8217;s kind of spectacular in its ugliness compared to what surrounds it but completely of a piece with what was going on elsewhere at the time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had heard the &#8216;listed building&#8217; urban myth before but always had my doubts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The other thing I heard was that&#8217;s it meant to look a bit like a prow of a ship. Another myth ?! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a part of local folklore, helped no doubt by the fact it contains both Fibbers and The Duchess. I think I&#8217;d be sad to see it go.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of spectacular in its ugliness compared to what surrounds it but completely of a piece with what was going on elsewhere at the time. </p>
<p>I had heard the &#8216;listed building&#8217; urban myth before but always had my doubts.</p>
<p>The other thing I heard was that&#8217;s it meant to look a bit like a prow of a ship. Another myth ?! </p>
<p>It is a part of local folklore, helped no doubt by the fact it contains both Fibbers and The Duchess. I think I&#8217;d be sad to see it go.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://yorkstories.co.uk/the-stonebow-is-a-listed-building-myth/#comment-76</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I believe you once praised this building Lisa as an ugly yet winning,example of its times in the 1960&#8217;s,and I agreed.My sister in law loved it as her work place as an operator,at the manual telephone switch board,quite a step up from her previous incarnation as a &#8216;Cocoa Covered Rowntree Sweetheart&#8217;.( Has any one else read&lt;br /&gt;
 this evocative booklet?)At least it served its purpose in those times,and believe me ,the Hungate sight was a MESS then,like a WW2 bomb site.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you once praised this building Lisa as an ugly yet winning,example of its times in the 1960&#8217;s,and I agreed.My sister in law loved it as her work place as an operator,at the manual telephone switch board,quite a step up from her previous incarnation as a &#8216;Cocoa Covered Rowntree Sweetheart&#8217;.( Has any one else read<br />
 this evocative booklet?)At least it served its purpose in those times,and believe me ,the Hungate sight was a MESS then,like a WW2 bomb site.</p>
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